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plaasjaapie · Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 9182

The Chinese gov't has a very bad conscience. They're pulling Avatar from theaters.

http://entertainment.timesonline.co.uk/tol/arts_and_entertainment/film/article6992685.ece

Laughing

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Jethro Tull · Joined: 31 Mar 2006 Posts: 421

I'm sure by now any person in China who wishes to see the movie need only buy a bootleg DVD copy. Wink

plaasjaapie · Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 9182

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kurban78 · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 739 Location: Brussels

One of the few movies that had a huge impact on me was Dance with the Wolves. In some ways, Avatar story is very similar though it got a happier ending. I was a bit disapointed by the fact that the Nav'is were too much like humans (bows and arrows, kind of horses, tribal way of life etc...) to the point you can tell yourself "damn Neytiri is really hot " and it left me wonder why don't we have the same agility and fatfree bodies like the Nav'is !! Laughing

Now, as far as I have read, most of the Pandora landscapes were from our good old earth (that's why basically I have always been ecologist, our planet is the home of countless breathtaking beauties that it's a shame that these very beauties and wonders should be spoilt because of our economical system).
I agree I have seen landscapes much more beautiful than Pandora with my own eyes (though the flying mountains would be lovely to have around here).

Now, the organic USB based in everybody's hair, that's a great invention lol
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Larry_Home · Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 5:26 pm Post subject:

Kurban, just FYI, the Sioux portrayed in "Dances With Wolves" never existed. In real life, the Sioux were a militarist society that had - long before the era portrayed in the movie - pushed westward from middle America and nearly destroyed the Blackfeet and other tribes during that expansion.

There is a reason that Blackfoot and Crow warriors served as guides for the U.S. Army in operations against the Sioux.

You wouldn't know it from the movie, but the Sioux originated in Minnesota and Iowa, even Ohio.

You may also notice that most recent histories of the Sioux essentially begin at the time of the American Civil War (1860 and on). There's a reason for that: Most of their wars of expansion came previously and are not convenient for the Great Peaceful Sioux Nation myth.
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academie · Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 7:13 pm Post subject:

I didn't see the movie, so I didn't know the myth. But I do know something about Lakota (Sioux) history. They were a warlike tribe, raiders, and their difficulty in integrating into a European-dominated America was by virtue of their warlikeness (and foolhardiness in taking on the US military). Today, they (the men, anyway) seem to have never figured out what to do now that they can't kick people's asses. I don't know how typical this is. The only other tribe I know much about is the Cherokee, who weren't that warlike.
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plaasjaapie · Joined: 19 Sep 2006 Posts: 9182

They were agrarian farmers living in the Missouri/Mississippi/Ohio watershed before feral horse herds started with escaped Spanish stock moved into their reach in the late 18th century. When that happened, they discovered that becoming a horse culture was much more fun and moved out onto the plains. That culture had only been in existence for about 75-100 years when the US Cavalry engaged it.
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kurban78 · Joined: 08 Apr 2006 Posts: 739 Location: Brussels

Actually I know that Sioux weren't the nature spirited angels mentioned in the movie (where do you think the name Sioux comes from? lol).
Basically, it could have been any single other tribe, the message or the story could have been the same. It's more about the clash between people that live more or less in harmony with both our planet and nature and the "denaturalised" humans where the search of profits overwhelms every other things in this world!

Now, my only experience with native americans was with Navajos in 1996 when I was in Arizona. They were living in amazing landscapes but looked pretty bored! It was very sad to witness...
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academie · Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2010 11:57 pm Post subject:

The trouble is identifying which side was into profits above all, and which side was into being in harmony with the planet. Because the first describes both and the second describes neither.
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Larry_Home · Posted: Thu Jan 21, 2010 12:16 am Post subject:

MetaLark · Posted: Fri Mar 05, 2010 5:31 am Post subject:

I said before that there were places on planet Earth just as beautiful and amazing as those on the fictional planet Pandora.

Here's another example: The Cano Cristales

Larry_Home · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 6:21 am Post subject:

Avatar fails to win the Oscar (neither best picture nor best director).

The honors go to The Hurt Locker.

And Sandra Bullock, non-Hollywoodian, wins best actress!

An attack of sanity in Hollywood??
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Lorianne_W · Joined: 24 Mar 2006 Posts: 2729

I usually watch the Oscars even if, as this year, I haven't seen a single one of the movies nominated. I watch because I like to see the clothes Smile

But even not having seen any of the movies I could tell in the run up that Avatar was not going to win any of the top awards by the many not-so-hidden messages about real actors vs animated ones.

I'm looking forward to seeing Avatar when it becomes available on Netflix.
Can't say that about most of the other movies.
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MetaLark · Posted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 7:10 pm Post subject:

Larry_Home · Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2010 12:19 am Post subject:

But you have to love the irony!!

The Hurt Locker was directed by a woman, the first ever to win a best-director award. And she is a former wife of James Cameron, director of Avatar. You cannot make this stuff up! Smile

Hollywood does not often get it right, but sometimes they get it so right it hurts!
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